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Fedora is one of the three obvious/popular/trendy choices for a person to get a free Desktop system running, with Ubuntu and Arch be the other two. Of course there are some more cool distros like Gentoo, Debian and more behind you will find OpenSUSE and the rising Mageia.

Arch is proud to have the most active community, it’s rolling release, it’s documentation, it’s about How Linux Desktop works, it’s the future. Probably the most favorite distro, even for the people that don’t use it. Arch releases are insignificant since affect mostly the installer. In theory if you install Arch once, you won’t need re-install it again.

Ubuntu is the symbol of Free Desktop for the outer world, even if isn’t so free, even if the Father of Free Software Richard Stallman calls it a spyware. Ubuntu has huge community (80-90% of the total Linux trend share?), it is well supported almost from any developer and project out there, is well tested and easy to use.

Ubuntu releases get quite the attention of all Tech Magazines and not only.

Fedora is more than a distro. Fedorians (or Redorians) are responsible for a large part of what we call Linux Desktop today. They do software from Kernel and Display Servers to GNOME Shell Extensions and in general Fedora Project features many of the super-stars developers of the Free Software Ecosystem.

However I consider Fedora final releases not really important. Don’t get me wrong but I have this feeling -that I know is wrong, but is still a feeling.

Out of 100 Fedora users

  • 40 have already F19 from beta. They don’t care about the final release
  • 20 are scared to use the upgrade method of Fedora to update their system. They’re waiting for version 20.
  • 15 get a broken system from updating
  • 5 get a broken system from clean install
  • 10 install Fedora for first time and the really like it
  • 10 install Fedora for first time and the really like it. After a  week they will switch back to Ubuntu :)

Fedora’s community support is nowhere near to Ubuntu or Arch, Fedora testing cycle isn’t a quality one but this distro has huge potential and is rapidly becoming better and better with each release. If you won’t fall into a stupid bug, you will love F19!


Get Fedora 19 from

There is a post with some of the new features in F19, but not really necessary to read that. Just go grub it and test it your selves!

First thing to do in F19

You know the typical joke about Ubuntu

– Whats the first thing to do after an Ubuntu installation?

– sudo apt-get remove *unity*!

This joke might become obsolete in the short future since Unity will be the only Desktop that you would be able to run in Ubuntu[1]. What about Ubuntu spins? Well, we’ll see. I guess that Ubuntu spins maintainers will find a solution and Ubuntu won’t loose its not-unity community.

Hit the non-Unity flavours and Mir discussions.

For Fedora there is another joke

– Whats the first thing to do after a Fedora installation?

– sudo yum install  fedora-release-rawhide

While Fedora is famous for shipping the latest and greatest software, they  just included latest GNOME when GNOME 3.8 is available from March 27. Three months delay for a 6 months project is too much, specially when this project is the most significant part of Fedora -at least of a casual user point of view. GNOME is getting improved fast and Fedora doesn’t help a lot to distribute it on time. Would you wait 3 months to update your Android or Chrome?

However Rawhide (what will be next Fedora Alpha) is surprising stable and when GNOME 3.10 will be released in Sep 23 Fedora at that point will hit the Alpha 20, which it is a worth to risk try it in a dual boot.

First things to do in F19 revisited ;)

A short list of typical things to do in Fedora clean install if you just starting.

Get Fedora Utils, the program that will easily add all the non-free software you need to watch multimedia and play games. Fedora Utils can do more than this.

Install Tweak Tool that will enable you to change some aspects of your system, like switching themes and add minimize and maximize buttons back to GNOME.

$ sudo yum install gnome-tweak-tool

Install Dconf Editor that will enable you to tweak even more things in GNOME

$ sudo yum install dconf-editor

Install GNOME Classic Mode. It’s a nice alternative to GNOME Shell and you can easily switch between them

$ sudo yum install gnome-classic-session

Pay a visit to GNOME Extensions page and further customize and extend your Desktop.

The list should be longer.. much longer ;)

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  • jon_downfromthetrees

    Arch requires way too much buy in to the “Arch Way”. If I want to go that route, I’ll use Slackware.

    Ubuntu is great, except for all the whining and noise from people who don’t like it because it’s trying to attract users by making good software, not by changing their religion. Plus one for Shuttleworth, minus two for RMS and fellow annoying missionaries.

    Fedora is also great. Can’t get Infinality to work just right in 19. Maybe I’ll wait a bit.

    I often wish Fedora had LTS releases like Ubuntu. Seems each release settles down about halfway to the next release. (*Every* Gnome 3 release I’ve used has always generated a Gnome Shell error message on reboot. Every last one of them.) Maybe RHEL 7 will scratch that itch.

    • Joshua Strobl

      I’d make the joke “well with how often Fedora releases new versions, it’s almost like an LTS”, but they’ve been working on faster releases as of late (F19 is proof of that), so damn you Fedora for being more efficient, you’re killing my jokes!

      I personally don’t use Fedora but I certainly wish other distributions had an LTS model. (Do note, this is coming from an openSUSE user who is a temporary Ubuntu abandon until Mir is solidified, so I’d like to think I’m being unbiased…if there somehow was any bias interpreted.)

      • jon_downfromthetrees

        I find myself bouncing back and forth, every so often, between Fedora and Ubuntu. At the moment, Ubuntu 13.04 is doing just fine for me, after upgrading the default kernel. Fast and smooth. A very nice release, I think.

        The Mir/Wayland debate holds little interest for me. I’m a desktop user; I’ll go with whatever works best for me. A little competition never hurt anyone, even display driver developers.

        • Michael Mistretta

          I still use Ubuntu (13.04) myself and I haven’t had too many problems with it (besides my sound goes to “Dummy Input” about once a month and I have to un/re Alsa/Pulse Audio, ugh!!).

          The Mir/Wayland thing is irking me, a lot of things about Ubuntu irks me. They seem to be moving away from the FOSS community and upstream. I do not use Unity, I won’t use Mir. It seems like Ubuntu is okay for right now but the future with that distro is really uncertain for me.

          Mir/XMir to me is a copy/paste of Wayland/XWayland, rather than contribute they’re just taking the code and going their own way and never gave a valid reason why. That just seems wrong to me.

          I’ve installed Arch and it was alright and my home server runs Debian 7 but I just like Ubuntu because it’s just easier to get working out of the box. If your time is valuable and you enjoy Linux I still think Ubuntu is a great option.

          The future though? It seems like Unity/Mir is the future.. if they keep the Gnome Shell spin I will continue using it or Xubuntu/Lubuntu which are both great (my laptop runs Xubuntu).

          I’d like to try Fedora out some time but I’ve never heard anything about it that made it seem worthwhile to me. I’m also kind of hooked on PPAs for the latest software packages.

          What advantages does Fedora have over Ubuntu?

          • Magneira

            I’m not an expert but the big advantages over Ubuntu in my opnion is that the use yum and rpm which I find extremely useful for a non expert user and also that it support gnome 3 “natively” as with Ubuntu you have to install separately etc. If you like gnome 3 you should give a try and I bet you will like yum over apt get

  • IsacDaavid

    Fuck slackfags, archfags and gentoofags; LFS is the only way to salvation XD

  • Ernesto Gutierrez

    It seems fedora utils is still geared towards fedora 18.
    Will this version work with f19? Or is it more of use it at your own risk…?

    • Satyajit Sahoo

      Use the F18 repo. It’ll work fine. There is no F19 repo since OpenSUSE build service doesn’t have an option to create a F19 repo yet.

  • David

    Great release but I miss terminal background transparency :(

    • Ernesto Gutierrez

      i feel ya… same here

  • Niklas Rosenqvist

    This article is so poorly written. There is no sources backing up statements like “This joke might become obsolete in the short future since Unity will be
    the only Desktop that you would be able to run in Ubuntu.” which is a potential issue still under research. The articles here have interesting subjects but the writing is terrible, incorrect and sometimes insulting.

    This is unfortunately just a blog, not a trustworthy news site. Please try to shape up.

    • Joshua Strobl

      I feel the same way. I’d like to like this blog and treat it as reliable news, but the simple fact that the articles are so poorly written, with no sources to back up their claims, make me treat anything they say with a grain a salt.

      To answer the whole “joke” crap, I highly doubt the transition to Mir will affect derivatives such as Kubuntu. Canonical isn’t enforcing the use of Mir, which will most likely be strictly used in Ubuntu, on derivatives, so such derivatives are free to use Wayland and whatever desktop environment the derivative has in the past.

      To clarify: If you want to run a different desktop environment, use a derivative, such as Ubuntu Gnome, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. They are there for that purpose. The “joke” is poor taste.

      • alex285

        I guess you were right on this, I should had give a link at first place. I added that but there are more things to ask, like whats Canonical’s policy for software inclusion in their official spins.

        • sltmbnq

          otoh a blog a is a blog. Why wouldn’t we want a gnome blog? we already have news papers and zdnet / lwn / whatever. The issue is sometimes providing interesting information imply to just wtf-ly write what you know : “insulting” seems a bit strong here. We’re just fans, not shareholders.

        • Joshua Strobl

          Thank you for correcting and providing a source.

      • JJ

        > I highly doubt the transition to Mir will affect derivatives such as Kubuntu

        Who said that? The blog do not say anything about the derivatives. It says about the main ubuntu distro.

        >Canonical isn’t enforcing the use of Mir

        Unfortunately that is exactly what they are doing now. Do you still really think that installing gnome with wayland will be as simple as sudo apt-get install (and removing unity, with sudo apt-get remove) post MIR? I would say you are really a believer.

        Even if canonical isn’t enforcing MIR theoritically, they literally killed all of the derivatives with that move. Go read KDE main developers blog.

        Lastly, a joke is just that; a joke. Learn to accept and enjoy jokes. And if you can’t please keep your frustrations with yourself.

        • Joshua Strobl

          “Who said that? The blog do not say anything about the derivatives. It says about the main ubuntu distro.”

          They implied it when they stated “…Unity will be the only Desktop that you would be able to run in Ubuntu.”

          “Do you still really think that installing gnome with wayland will be as simple as sudo apt-get install (and removing unity, with sudo apt-get remove) post MIR?”

          Yes, I do in fact think that. Wayland will need to be in Ubuntu’s repositories, seeing as derivatives such as Kubuntu will require Wayland (since KDE will use Wayland, not Mir), meaning it will be available for “apt-getting”.

          “I would say you are really a believer.” I look at the facts and for the record, I run openSUSE.

          “…they literally killed all of the derivatives with that move” Seeing as those derivatives are still around and using Ubuntu’s repos, I’d say that isn’t going to happen.

  • adwesgtgrfe

    This article is really poorly put together. It adds nothing.